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News/Business. Erin Burnett. (2013) New.

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Algeria 15, Libya 15, U.s. 13, Us 10, United States 8, Nra 7, Cnn 7, Lance Armstrong 6, Texas 5, Erin 5, Mokhtar Belmokhtar 4, America 4, Leon Panetta 4, Usaa 3, Schwab Bank 3, Fbi 3, Chris Lawrence 3, Jakarta 3, David Mattingly 2, Christie 2,
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  CNN    Erin Burnett Out Front    News/Business. Erin  
   Burnett.  (2013) New.  

    January 18, 2013
    4:00 - 5:00pm PST  

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>> well, they should. what we're printing, of course, is the truth. we are the number one paper of record in america. we are the most powerful media organization probably in the world at this point. so i don't really see why any human being would want to get information from any source other than "the onion." that's exactly what we want to happen. >> it's an e-book "the president of vice: the autobiography of joe biden." will tracy, visit us here in "the situation room." from time to time. >> absolutely, love to be back, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> he can keep a straight face, that was very good. i clearly am not as good at that. we have here in our very hands, i hope you see it. >> we've got more too. this is the program. >> this is the official invitation. hold it up, vanna. well done. sent to vip members of congress and the official program which was a history, also has a history of the united states capitol inside plus the program of events, of course, on the
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public inauguration day, which is monday. you can see it right here. it's really, really quite beautiful. >> it's gold. gold glitters here. >> it's gold. >> the honor of your presence is requested at the ceremonies attending the inauguration of the president and vice president of the united states. >> the guy we were just talking about. he'll be here, you'll be here, i'll be here. >> tomorrow we'll be here, sunday we'll be here, monday lots of live coverage coming up. history unfolding and we're thrilled to be here. thanks very much for joining us. we'll see you back here tomorrow. read us as well. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. next, breaking news. cnn has learned an american has been killed during the hostage situation in algeria. plus the man who says he's behind the attack has the nickname "the marlboro man" and "the jihad prince." the number of american husband holds with guns is on the decline but the nra's power
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is growing. it is growing even after newtown. breaking news, one american has been killed in the algeria hostage situation. we'll tell you what we know about that man and the other americans we are aware of tonight. let's get straight to jill dougherty at the state department. first, jill, what can you tell us about the american who died? >> there are not a lot of details. we can confirm according to a senior u.s. official that one american is dead. family has been notified that this person has died. but other than that, where they died, how they died, and maybe when they died, is not clear. after all, this began three days ago. and then the operation has been ongoing for two days. so not clear. a lot of those details.
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i can tell you that this afternoon, before this news broke, secretary of state hillary clinton did express condolences to the families of those people, people from several countries, who died in this terrorist act. and yet at this point we don't know many details at all of how many died, how many survived. it's simply not known. >> jill dougherty, thank you very much. of course,do know there are some americans still unaccounted for tonight. we are also hearing the first words though from another american hostage who is safe and we want to get straight to david mattingly in needer land, texas, who has been following the other american hostages. david, what can you tell us about the american you've spoken to who is alive? >> reporter: erin, first of all, we can tell you his name. that's significant because it's the first tame that we've been able to confirm a name of one of the americans who were at the plant at the time, mark cobb. he's reportedly from texas. we weren't able to confirm that
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directly with him because we had a very brief exchange with him. cnn contacting him via text and he sent two text messages to us. the first one confirming, he said "i am safe, yes." the next one he explained how he managed to escape. he said he escaped the first night of the siege along with some algerian staff members who were there at the plant with him. at this point, he wasn't willing to comment any further again suggesting how careful everyone is right now with the safety of so many people still at stake there at the facility. >> obviously he in a very senior position there. i know as you mentioned we're not sure exactly where he is right now although he's safe. cnn obviously has been working to identify some of the other americans involved. this is the second american that we have formally been able to identify. what more do you know about the others? >> reporter: the other american that we talked to you about last night, he is from texas, we're not going to tell you any more
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about him, we're not going to tell you his name right now. his family tells us he is among those being held hostage. they found out about that wednesday morning, they tell us. since then they've been very reluctant to talk. i spoke to them very briefly, to a family member a short while ago, and i was told we don't know any more at this point than you do." so erin, again that shows just how long these hours have been, how little information has been coming through, and how tense everyone remains with that lack of information. >> it certainly does. of course, i know you're down there in texas working and talking to those families. thank you very much, david mattingly. to recap, cnn confirms one american hostage has been killed. we've learned the identities of two other american hostages and we have others unaccounted for tonight. as soon as we get more information about any of these people we are going to bring it to you. again, today, details have been sparse and contradictory out of the hostage situation. here is what we know right now
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overall. the algerian state media report that 12 hostages have been killed since algeria launched its ground operation yesterday. there may be americans among them. 650 hostages have been freed by the algerian military, again, according to the algerian press service. of the 132 foreign work there's were taken hostage, 100 of them have been confirmed as released. now, cnn has learned that the united states is evacuating as many as 20 people caught up in the hostage-taking. they're going to be taken to u.s. facilities in europe. secretary of state hillary clinton has urged the algerian government to use the utmost care in the operation because, as she has made it very clear in this case, it was an act of terror. >> let's not forget, this is an act of terror. the perpetrators are the terrorists. they are the ones who have assaulted this facility, have taken host annal jeerians and others from around the world who were going about their daily business.
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>> "outfront," republican congressman mike rogers of michigan, a commissioned officer in the u.s. army, served as an fbi special agent. good to talk to you, chairman. let me ask you what you can tell us right now. as you know, the details are murky in some areas. we're starting to get more clarity. and unfortunately have confirmed that one american has been killed in this operation. others still unaccounted for. what more can you tell us? >> well, there is -- the rescue effort or at least trying to reoccupy the gas facility happened in two stages. so the algerians went in yesterday late to try to at least push back and flush out the terrorists. that resulted we know in deaths. we're not very clear. the reason that's not clear, erin, it's a long way from algiers. they aren't really allows an international presence there. they want to handle this on their own. we know that today they launched a succeed series of efforts on the facility.
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that did result in freeing of more hostages. it now has the hostage-takers kind of hunkered down. we're just not sure the numbers, the numbers have been all over the map. the algerian news agency has released numbers. i have a feeling we'll find those aren't accurate either. >> right. they are satisfying 12 total hostages have been killed. we have no idea whether the numbers have been accurate and they have been all over the map, it's a fair point, and i want to emphasize it. we know at least one american is among the dead, whatever the dead count may be. i'm curious as to your perceptions whether the u.s. is taking too much of a back seat. yes, it's a sovereign country. they said they were going to take the lead. they went in without telling the united states, shocking the united states, according to many reports which described kind of how u.s. officials felt when the algerians went in. constitute united states have just said, you know what, forget it, we're going in, we don't care what you say. >> could have done it, not
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likely. algeria is a police state. they have a very tough hold on algiers, their city in the north. and it gets a little less as you get south toward the border areas where the tribes are. some of these facilities, this one included, is in a very remote location in the desert. closer to the libyan border. so it's not likely that we would have had great capability as quick as the algerians did to actually get to the facility. i think, erin, they made the conclusion, listen, i'm either going to have to negotiate with london, paris, washington, d.c., tokyo, or we're going to go handle this problem that is grown in perception that embold emboldens, they believe, al qaeda from doing even more of this kind of thing. i think they decided to take quick action for those reasons and didn't include the other nation states for that reason. >> a spokesperson for mokhtal
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belmohtar, they'll release a number of undisclosed american hostages in exchange for two prisoners that they want. the state department spokesperson was asked about this, whether the united states would negotiate, here's what she said. >> the united states does not negotiate with terrorists. >> do you expect algeria to -- >> we do not negotiate with terrorists. we're in consultations with the algerians. >> i'm curious what the u.s. should do. israel used to say, we'll never negotiate with terrorists, until they did, and they got freedom in exchange for 1,027 prisoners. should the united states negotiate? there are algerians whose lives may hang on that decision. >> the first thing you learn when you're a new fbi agent is, don't negotiate with terrorists. there's a reason. it puts a price on the head of all the other individuals who are exposed across the region. i think it's good policy. it is a hard policy. it's tough. it's hard when you have family members there.
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and i would be very, very reluctant to give them anything that they want. for that very reason. you just make every other westerner across the may gren, northern africa, the price on their head just went up. part of the problem is the reason these folks have been successful is the way they make money is through ransoms. they do kidnappings and ransoms. as a matter of fact, at one time, they were the single largest contributor, al qaeda, through ransom payments. and so because people paid them, it became a cottage industry. and i think that is a dangerous precedent because that whole region is becoming more destabilized. lots of weapons that left libya, why we weren't, the united states was not quite making a quick decision by the time they were done deciding if we should or shouldn't work on those weapons caches, the last weapon was out of the arms room on a truck heading toward places like mali. so all of these problems are
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kind of colliding, which as you see this more brazen attempt. hostages, i'd be reluctant to negotiate with them. >> all right. obviously a tough decision to make, explaining your logic there. the man claiming responsibility for the operation, mokhtar, a veteran jihadist, he has a history of kidnapping, he's 40 years old, an algerian who has eluded counterterrorism forces for years. we first heard about him traveling on the mali border last summer. a tribes man we were with received a warning call telling him this man was in the area. what's his name? >> mokhtar belmokhtar. he's been a jihadist since his late teens. feared and revered in northern africa. he lost an eye fighting in afghanistan. "one-eye" is one of his many
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names. he's called the prince, and mr. marlboro, a name he earned as a successful smuggler of cigarettes and drugs. mokhtar belmokhtar was feared. we were forced to turn back and returned safely. but former canadian diplomat mark fowler wasn't so lucky. he was takenpy belmokhtar's brigade in 2008 in niger. >> i was terrified that the whole thing were end with a knife at my throat like daniel pearl. >> reporter: fowl uer, eventually released, said he called him "one-eyed jack" and describes him as a survivor. >> he's a very tough guy. he's been through it all. and he's very careful. but he's not in any way a romantic. it's all about getting the job
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done with very fierce focus. >> reporter: fierce focus that belmoke do you remember h belmokhtar has used to form alliances. libya, algeria, mauritania, mauli, marrying the daughter of an arab leader from timbuktu. he named his son osama. >> he's operated in that space very comfortably. and he knows how to make himself disappear. >> reporter: belmokhtar's involvement with the algerian hostage situation is another reason counterterrorism units around the world need to take notice. >> he's got the potential to go to the next level, which is, you know, not only just taking hostages, but if cornered, he is probably prepared to fight. >> "outfront" next, the president has made gun control a priority in his second term. fewer than half of americans
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our second story "outfront," is the nra unbeatable? the powerful gun lobbying group has seen its membership grow by over 250,000 in the past month. they added 30,000 new members on the day of the president's press conference. just in one day. president obama's made gun control a top priority in his second term but he is still struggling to get the american public on his side. the latest cnn poll shows 49% of americans disapprove of how the president has handled gun control. and that's even after this ad which was credit sided by democrats and republicans alike. >> are the president's kids more important than yours? then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools? when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school? >> is the nra winning the gun debate even in spite of an ad like that? "outfront," aaron blake, yeah
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"washington post," who wrote about this topic today. you gave two examples today as to why the nra is going to win. one, they're in the midst of a membership boom, numbers stunning. to make sure everyone stand understands, you could sign up family and friends at a discount, that helped them. your second point, whatever passes through congress will be small, not big. why is the nra so strong? >> i think that this is really such a regional issue in congress right now. the coless are very much pro-gun control. the middle of the country, even a lot of the the democrats in the middle of the country and in the south especially are very pro-gun rights. so we see in the last few days here, even senators, democratic senators like baucus from montana, franken, he is dated to endorse the assault weapons ban. this is a tough issue for
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politicians to deal with, particularly in the middle of the country. when that happens their reflex is often to vote no. >> roland, one thing that amazed me, was the favorability rating. it seemed to me, and being there in newtown, that something had changed in this country, that something had changed in every single one of us, to see what happened there happen. yet after newtown, 41% of americans view the organization favorably. that is unchanged from two years ago. that is unchanged. how is the nra not taking a hit? >> here's the deal. because people are against the gun violence in this country, not necessarily the nra. and i think we somehow can't act as if you are against gun violence, therefore, you're going to hate the nra. the nra is a lobbying group, that's what they are. i've got to disagree on this notion that, it's the coasts and the middle of the country. guess what, there are a lot of people in the middle of the country, in kansas city, in st. louis, in chicago, in other
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cities, who are not happy with what's happening with gun violence. what you don't have, though, is you don't have as powerful of a lobbying group who has the ability to raise money to give to candidates and to say, we're going to run the ads. you aren't seeing the groups out there who are really advocating for more gun control releasing ads on the internet. they need to be more aggressive, proactive, and not say, let's see what happens. let's see what happens with president obama and congress. they've got to get in the game too. >> there are some republicans who have taken on the nra. one of them is a republican that a lot of republicans think is going to be their messiah, chris christie. that man believes in gun control for a long time. here's what -- here's him attacking the nra. >> to talk about the president's children or any public officer's children who have, not by their own choice, but by requirement, to have protection, to use that
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somehow to try to make a political point, i think is reprehensible. >> doesn't that sort of signal what a lot of americans feel. okay, the view of the nra hasn't changed but most americans do favor some changes to gun control. >> there are two things going on here. on the one hand, you see from governor christie that the nra is not seen as bullet proof. if governor christie wants to win with a national republican constituency, he evidently doesn't think that it's too, too scary to actually take on the nra. that's a very significant development. on the other hand, to aaron's point, the thing that matters most in these political debates is intensity. you could have a big diffuse group of people with a certain view. if you have an intense minority that votes on a particular issue, that can outweigh a bigger group of people who feel differently. the problem with the gun control debate from the perspective of folks who want gun control laws is they need to say, we don't want to target lawful gun owners. 47% of adults in this country
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say they have a gun in the home. you want to say, we want to separate out the people who are gun trafficking and doing other things that promote the climate of gun violence from that cause of lawful gun owners. i think the nra, they win by losing. the more you have a debate around these issues the more it seems we're going to get more gun laws, the nra builds intensity that way. >> erin, that's the mistake that i've been saying from day one. this should not be a gun control conversation. it should be a gun violence conversation. and if you are talking gun control, you're playing on the nra's field. if you say gun violence and you broaden it, that's a different debate. that's been the problem from day one. >> all right, thanks to all of you. you always want to have the home field advantage. if they have it, they have it. doctors racing to save the vision of a man who was attacked with acid. police are trying to figure out if his work with the ballet is the reason for the attack. the flu epidemic is raging
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our third story "outfront," the dark side of the ballet. the artistic director of russia's famed bolshoi ballet is the victim of an acid attack. it could leave him blind. the director was approached by a masked assailant and a fierce rivalry could be behind the
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attack. >> reporter: the attack has shocked russians because of its cruelty. concentrated acid thrown on his face outside his home. also because of who he is. the artistic director of the country's most prestigious ballet company. the man who leads the world-famous dancers of the bolshoi theater. >> translator: we know something absolutely beyond understanding has happened. something horrible. it's hard to believe such a thing could happen in the art world. >> reporter: he joined the bolshoi ballet in 1988 and danced with the company for nearly 20 years. he became artistic director in 2011. to lead the bolshoi is an opportunity coveted by many in the ballet world. >> translator: we at the minister of culture consider to be an attack on not only a bright cultural figure but on the whole bolshoi and russian culture. >> it is also known as a house
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of intrigue. of bitter feuds and passionate rivalries. even those who know the theater interest meat, egos and powerful emotions that shake its walls are shocked to consider the possibility that a professional jealousy has come to this. but sergei's colleagues believe his work must be the focus of investigations to find out who was responsible. the theater says before the attack, he experienced months of harassment. his car tires slashed, e-mail hacked, he received violent threats. >> translator: we do hope all the possible authorities will investigate the case and the case will be solved. it's a question of the global reputation of our country and the image of russia. >> reporter: he's undergone surgery. it's possible he will lose sight in one or both of his eyes. phil black, cnn, moscow. "outfront," 12 dead in algeria tonight. a lot of unanswered questions. but one thing for sure, there is
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we have breaking news. cnn has confirmed the identity of the american killed in the hostage situation in algeria. state department spokesperson victoria nuland tells cnn, we can confirm the death of u.s.
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citizen frederick butaccio. out of the respect for the family's privacy we have no further comment." as we reported earlier we are aware of two other americans, one who is alive, one who is unaccounted for, and there are others still unaccounted for tonight. the latest on the flu. according to the latest cdc update, all but two states have widespread flu activity. the cdc says we're about halfway through the flu season but they're not sure when it's going to peak. we spoke to dr. sandro sinti of university of michigan. the flu season started earlier this year and they're expecting the number of cases at his hospital to go up. talks between iran and the u.n. over its nuclear program have ended with no deal. iran denied iaea inspectors' requests including access to the site suspected to be one of the places the country could be developing nuclear weapons.
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we spoke to david all bright who said the time for negotiations is running out. he says these talks are not about iran getting a nuclear weapon and not getting a long-term deal on the nuclear program. the tsa is removing the body scanners because the company that manufacturers them couldn't meet a deadline to install the privacy software. they'll be replaced with other body scanners. bruce shiner who has been a critic tells us this is a good move toward privacy but wishes they would have gotten rid of the scanners for the right reasons, not because of a missed deadline. 533 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? house republicans are announcing that is not going to do it, let me put it to you that way. our top story, the terror connection.
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again, the state department has confirmed the death of u.s. citizen frederick butaccio in algeria. he is from texas. one other american mark cobb has managed to escape and told cnn he is safe in an undisclosed location. there are still many unanswered questions about what happened at the gas field in algeria. one thing is clear, there is a libya connection. chris lawrence is at the pentagon with an "outfront" investigation. >> reporter: the land nato liberated from moammar gadhafi is now home to multiple training camps for potential terrorists. >> militants sympathetic to al qaeda have established quasi safe havens in several parts of lib ra. >> reporter: benghazi where americans were targeted and four killed is just one of the strongholds. but the camps are spread throughout the country. libyan officials tell cnn terrorist analyst paul
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cruikshank. >> amongst their numbers are people with direct connections to al qaeda central. >> reporter: at least three training camps near the december cert in the algerian border, 30 miles from the gas complex that's under siege. a u.s. official tells cnn the militants who seized american hostages likely crossed that border to carry out their attack. >> libya is a lesson in what the international community can achieve. >> reporter: president bowl called the limited operation anybody la a recipe for the future. >> not a single u.s. troop was on the ground. >> reporter: but that light footprint left room for others to step in. zawahiri dispatched a top lieutenant to libya, ordering him to build up al qaeda's network there. mokhtar belmokhtar traveled to libya a little more than a year ago. >> he met with the commandant of one of these camps in southern
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libya during this time. >> reporter: but algeria may only be the latest link in a chain that leads back to libya. in nearby mali, the u.s. is now aiding france's fight to smash al qaeda. but militants are armed to the teeth and fighting back against french troops. >> mali is the first victim of libya because of the weapon caches that were raided and just about the inability for anyone to stop weapons flying all over. >> reporter: defense secretary leon panetta issued a warning to those running training camps. >> terrorists should be on notice. that they will find no sanctuary, no refuge, not in algeria, not in north africa, not anywhere. >> reporter: so far, this al qaeda group has been focused in africa. but counterterrorism officials are concerned that if these training camps continue to flourish, their ambitions may
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expand. libya is right on the southern shore of the mediterranean. and officials are concerned that militants could try for an attack in europe or european militants could come to libya, get training, and then try to carry out an attack back home. erin? >> thanks very much to chris lawrence. fran townsend as former home land counterterrorism advisor to george bush. stewart holladay, special political affairs at the united nations. stewart, let me start with you. in chris' reporting there there was a sound bite from president obama from a very different time. but that sound bite, he said libya is a success, it's a lesson in success of how to do these things. was that premature, given what chris lawrence just reported? >> i think we've all seen that it's much easier to focus on a tactical operation in a short-term and topple a leader, it's a lot harder to kind of create the stability and the kind of security needed to
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have -- prevent safe havens from developing for these terrorists. so i think obviously it's a bit premature to say that it's been a success. there's a lot more work to do to root out these terrorist camps in libya and algeria. >> fran, that proves to be part of the problem. get rid of gadhafi, h hi-ho, the witch is dead. you thaning camps are alive and well, the united states ambassador is killed, nobody may ever go to jail for it. >> we should be clear, mokhtar belmokhtar had a safe haven, trained there and ready for just this opportunity. libya falls, weapons are available, more jihadists are available, there are people he can add to his coterie. and he's been a problem for many years. almost a decade now. and this is his moment. he takes advantage of what essentially, as you describe it, is a power vacuum. >> it as power vacuum and
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getting broader and broader. i want to ask you about something leon panetta has said. part of you you just heard. i want you and your viewers to hear leon panetta. >> terrorists should be on notice. that they will find no sanctuary, no refuge, not in algeria, not in north africa, not anywhere. >> we've got to go after al qaeda wherever the hell they're at. and make sure they find no place to hide. >> i know he means it. but the problem is that was in december. this is now -- they've been saying that. after they were saying al qaeda was on the run, now they're saying we're going to go after them. are we going after them? are the terrorists at this point feeling, the united states says this but what are they doing? >> i'm sure they do. the passage of time. but let's be clear, sometimes it's very hard to strike back right away.
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fbi director bob muller was in libya talking to the investigators this week. i expect that the investigation is going on. but remember, after the east africa embassy bombings president clinton had missiles launched, both at training camps in afghanistan that turned out to be empty, ask in sudan. and there's no real point to that. so the current administration can only really act and retaliate for ben gauzy if they've got good targets and they've got good information. both law enforcement and intelligence. they're gathering that, it's been frustratingly slow. but terrorists shouldn't presume that just because we haven't acted yet that we won't. >> certainly leon panetta made it clear the united states will. stewart,r surprised by the administration's immediate labeling of this as a terrorist attack which was organized and planned, which obviously at least rhetorically is in contrast to how they described the attack on ben gauzy at first? >> not at all. in this case, you had a terrorist leader in a group that claim the and was out front on claiming the attack as their
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we are back with tonight's "outer circle" where we reach out to source arizona round the world. jakarta, residents are facing the worst flooding in six years. 19,000 displaced from their homes and the at least 12 are dead. more flooding from here is expected. kat i asked kathy how this is affecting the people. >> reporter: water shut down most of central jakarta's business district on thursday. thousands of people left stranded on the streets. offices, schools, even foreign embassies were forced to close down. and we're seeing crews of civilians and military personnel using heavy equipment, trying to protect this city from being inundated again. they're using sandbags to shore up the dike. this may not be enough. but the national disaster mitigation agency said earlier on friday that they should be prepared for more flooding to come later on today.
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water levels at a dam just outside of jakarta in west java are critically high. so the people should brace themselves for more floods. now or fifth story "outfront," the price of coming cheer. tonight lance armstrong talks with oprah about the financial fallout from using performance-enhancing drugs. >> nike called. they're out. that was a $75 million day, gone. >> gone. >> that was one of the most memorable parts of last night's interview. at least to us. lance armstrong is a man with an estimated net worth of $125 million. so $75 million day is obviously -- means a lot to him. most of that comes from sponsors like nike. but the fortune could be wiped completely clean now that he's likely to be hit with a string of lawsuits. anything he says tonight, the question is could it make any kind of difference in the court of public opinion which is very relevant here. dana jacobson has interviewed
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lance armstrong, good to see body of you. let me start by asking each of you, anyone who wasn't watching you last night, you watched the first part of the interview. you were both -- you were not satisfied. i'm putting it nicely. you didn't think he did a good job. >> he wasn't contrite at all. he didn't -- he may have been trying to say i'm sorry. he didn't even come close to it in the way he acted and the way he acted toward people that he hurt. i don't know how he makes up for it tonight. i don't know how that's possible -- >> you don't think he could say something -- he's talking about his wife, his children -- >> i think he could have cried and nobody would have -- i shouldn't say nobody. most people would not have believed him. i think i said at the end of last night, what's so difficult, it was probably too soon. i don't know if he could say anything where he could get the majority of people on his side at this point because he lied for so long about this and he went after people. he didn't just lie, he went after anybody who said he did do it. >> speaking of lawsuits which is perhaps -- there was one moment
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david last night, we said, oh, i don't even remember if i sued or i sued so many people. when of course he would have had to remember that. is there anything he could do that is going to make you as a reporter who has cover him change your mind? i think he can look a little more human. i think he did a lot of damage by denying certain evidence last night, that he was involved in doping during his comeback, that he was a leader and had influence over athletes that doped. i didn't realize this but talking with a source familiar with these cases, they think this could damage his ability to be considered a credible witness who can turn over other people in attempt to reservereduce his ban. i think he did more damage, after talking to sources today. >> you were talking about how there was a clear line last night when he was saying, yes, yes, yes, yes, i doped to this date. then from that date i never doped again. that date happens to be the date of statute of limitations. >> exactly. >> you were skeptical and said,
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i think i'm going to looking into whether he doped afterwards. >> there are a series of blood tests that beg to differ. fighting an you'll hill battle there reserve i think that much might hurt his credibility and his ability to give up new information that would reduce his ban. >> one thing i'm curious about, when woe talk about the money, $75 million day, and tonight, he's going to go into detail on the money. we talked to a lawyer last night, you were here for that, basically his company had $12 billion in bonuses of tour de france money they want back. that's another $12.5 million. you can see how the amount of money exceeds his net wurkt. >> prize money from the races he won, that's all money that somebody is doing to go after to give back. even if his worth is $125 million, at some point, it's going to exceed the amount he's going to have to give back may exceed that, or what does he have left of the $125 million he
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can give at this point? >> nats a big question. what kind of lifestyle has he led? >> he doesn't have the private jet anymore, so he has already come down a rung. i think he's going to come down more. i don't think he's going to go completely broke. we don't know what the department of justice is going to do yet, and that's really important. we're going to see if there are higher people held to account. it's an important thing, but it's hard to see him being the only one on the hook in the whistle blower lawsuit. i think his lifestyle is going to change, but he's going to have money left. >> i'm wondering if he can say anything tonight to change this, and i would be shocked if he did because he was so clear when he said i didn't force anyone to do anything. he said lee was a bully, but he didn't coerce anybody. >> i thought it was interesting when he said, i looked up cheating in the dictionary, and it was having an unfair advantage. i looked it up, what i found was breaking rules. did he not look up a bully?
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because a bully coerces. everyone who came out against him talked about how he led the way and he coerced them. reporters are on the record saying he coerced them, too. he's not going to admit to it today, so that's sitting out there. >> it's his attempt to say i wasn't kind of the team leader, which is a big deal in the whistle blower case, whether or not he was the team leader. i think that's part of his attempt to portray himself as being just another guy in the system as opposed to a leader. >> it seems incredible he would even try to present that. i go back to this, i know i kept saying this last night, he kept saying to oprah, my problem is i have to be in control. i have to control every situation. that was part of my downfall. now you're not going to try to control every situation? it doesn't make any sense. >> i want to play that sound bite. here's lance. >> you are suing people and you know that they're telling the
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truth. what is that? >> it's -- it's a major flaw. and it's a guy who expected to get whatever he wanted and to control every outcome. >> when you were talking about him controlling it. it is a major flaw. >> yeah. >> a major flaw for the people dragged through the court, probably. maybe even less diplomatic language they would have used. >> i guess what we're all dying to hear is did you ever have in your head, gosh, i'm doing something horrible, i'm a bad person? yet you didn't get that feeling at all. he said he didn't feel badly about it. >> i can't remember the question, but did you feel badly, did you feel you were cheating? no, i didn't feel badly. not once? that's amazing. that's when you look at his personality and think he doesn't have it in him to feel bad. >> people can justify incredible things. thanks to both of you.
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of course, we'll be watching the other installment of that interview tonight. and now let's check in with anderson cooper with a look at what's coming up on "ac 360." hi, anderson. >> we're close to calling the hostage crisis in algeria. one american has been killed along with other we don't know. many hostages are dmou free, many more still being held by terrorists. and also my primetime exclusive interview with mayor michael bloomberg. while he thinks now is the critical time to push for new gun laws in the country, and we'll follow up on lance armstrong the day after his confession to using performance enhancing drugs. many of those who know him and have followed him for year s sa his admissions are completely incomplete. we'll talk to those who knew him well at the top of the hour. >> completely incomplete. still to come, if all dogs go to heaven, then the one you're about to meet is headed for sainthood. [ indistinct shouting ]
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and we have more details on the breaking news in algeria. six americans have been freed or strayed from the algerian gas field. a u.s. official tells cnn. they provided no other information about their status or whereabouts. other americans are still unaccounted for. earlier today, state department spokes person victoria nuland said there were still american hostages and we have confirmed one american, frederick buttaccio, has been kild.